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El Dorado District
FOLKLORE SUBJECTS
Name of Interviewer: Pernella Anderson
Subjects: Customs related to Slavery Time [HW: Ex Slave Story]
Subject: Food--Particular foods typical and characteristic of certain
localities and certain people (negroes)
[Nov 6 1936]
[TR: Additional topic moved from subsequent page.]

This information given by: Millie Evans (Negroes pronounce it Irvins)
Place of Residence: By Missouri Pacific Track near MOP Shops
Occupation: None
Age: 87
[TR: Personal information moved from bottom of interview.]


I wuz a young lady in the time of surrender. I am a slave chile. I am
one of them. I had a gran' time in slavery time. I wuz born wid de white
foks. I stayed wid mah muthah at night but mah mistress raised me. I
nussed mah mutha's gran'chile. I churned and sot de table. When de baby
go to sleep in de evenin' I put hit in de cradle. An' I'd lay down by
the cradle and go to sleep. Every evenin' I'd go git _lida knots_. I
played a lots. I wuz born 1849. We played Susanna Gals, and we just
played jump rope. Jes' we gals did. We played calling' cows. Dey'd come
to us and we run from um. My [TR: 'I' corrected to 'My'] mistess wuz a
millionaire. I went to school a while. I can count only lit bit. One uz
de girl made fun uz me. She kotch me nodding and we fit dare in de
school house. Old log school house. Dey had two big rooms. Ah went to de
ole fokes' church. Young un too. We'd cry if we didn't git ter go ter
church wid ma and pa.

Our table was sot under a china berry tree and ooo-eee chile I can see
hit now. We et on a loal (oil) table cloth. When dey called us to de
table dey would ring a bell. We didn' eat out uz plates. We et outn
gourds. We all et outn gourds. When I got big nuff ter cook I cooked
den. We had plenty to eat. We raised who-eee plenty meat. We raised our
sugar, rice, peas, chikens, eggs, cows. Who-eee chile we had plenty to
eat. Our mistess had ovah a hunert (100) niggers. Ole moster nevah did
whip none uv us niggers. He tended de men and mistess always tended to
us. I wudden (wasn't) quite grown when I wuz married. We cooked out in
de yard an' on fireplaces too in dose big ubbens (ovens). We cooked
greens in a wash pot jes like you boil clothes, dats de way we cook
greens. We cooked ash cakes too an we cooked persimmon braid (bread). An
evah thing we had wuz good too. We made our churns in dem days. Made dem
outn cypress.

Evahbody cried when dem yankees cried out: "Free." We cried too; we
hated hit so bad. We had such a good time. I is gittin so ole I can't
member so ever' thin' I done. Now chile ah cain't member evah' thin' I
done but in dem days we didn' have ter worry 'bout nothin'. Ole mistress
wuz de one ter worry. Twasn't den like hit is now. No Twasn't. Tother
niggers say dey had er hard time foe dem Yankee cried "Free" but it waz
den jes like hit is now if you had a hard time we done hit ourselves.


[HW: Negro food]

_PERSIMMON PIE_ Make a crust like you would any other pie crust and take
your persimmons and wash them. Let them be good and ripe. Get the seed
out of them. Don't cook them. Mash them and put cinnamon and spice in
and butter. Sugar to taste. Then roll your dough and put in custard pan,
and then add the filling, then put a top crust on it, sprinkle a little
sugar on top and bake.

_PERSIMMON CORNBREAD_ Sift meal and add your ingredients then your
persimmons that have been washed and the seeds taken out and mash them
and put in and stir well together. Grease pan well and pour in and bake.
Eat with fresh meat.

_PERSIMMON BEER_ Gather your persimmons, wash and put in a keg, cover
well with water and add about two cups of meal to it and let sour about
three days. That makes a nice drink.

Boil persimmons just as you do prunes now day and they will answer for
the same purpose.

_ASH CAKE_ Two cups of meal and one teaspoon of salt and just enough hot
water to make it stick together. Roll out in pones and wrap in a corn
shuck or collard leaves or paper. Lay on hot ashes and cover with hot
ashes and let cook about ten minutes.

_CORNBREAD JOHNNY CAKE_ Two cups of meal, one half cup of flour about a
teaspoon of soda, one cup of syrup, one-half teaspoon salt, beat well.
Add teaspoon of lard. Pour in greased pan and bake.

[HW: _Water_ or _Milk_ added?]

(Old Mistress wud give us this corn bread johnny cake about four o'clock
in de evening and give us plenty of buttermilk to drink wid it. Dey had
a long trough. Dey kep' hit so clean fur us. Ev'ry evening about four
dey would fill de trough full uv milk and wus abut 100 of us chilluns.
We'd all get round de trough and drink wid our mouth and hold our johnny
cake in our han's. I can jes see mahself drinkin now. It wus so good.)

_BEEF DUMPLINS_ Take the brough (meaning broth) from boiled beef and
season with salt, peper and add you dumplins jus as you would chicken
dumplins.

Pick and wash beet tops just as you would turnip greens and cook with
meat to season. Season to suit taste. This makes the best vegetable
dish.

_POTATO BISCUIT_ Two cups flour. Two teaspoons of baking powder, pinch
of soda, teaspoon of salt, tablespoon of lard, two cups of cooked, well
mashed sweet potatoes and milk to make a nice dough.

_IRISH POTATO PIE_ Boil potatoes, set off and let cool, then mash well
and add one cup sugar, two eggs, butter size of an egg, milk, spice to
suit taste, bake in pie crust. Irish potatoes make a better pie than
sweet potatoes. 

 BASE YEAR: 1970

YEAR   BYEAR/AYEAR AYEAR/BYEAR  GROWTH%

2009    1.479761    0.675785    8.2857%
2001    1.366534    0.731778    1.0000%
2000    1.353004    0.739096    1.0000%
1999    1.339608    0.746487    1.0000%
1998    1.326344    0.753952    1.0000%
1997    1.313212    0.761491    1.0000%
1996    1.300210    0.769106    1.0000%
1995    1.287337    0.776797    0.9992%
1994    1.274601    0.784559    1.0008%
1993    1.261971    0.792411    1.0000%
1992    1.249476    0.800335    0.9295%
1991    1.237969    0.807774    1.2505%
1990    1.222680    0.817876    0.7224%
1989    1.213910    0.823784    1.1077%
1988    1.200611    0.832909    0.8834%
1987    1.190098    0.840267    0.5594%
1986    1.183478    0.844967    1.3056%
1985    1.168225    0.855999    0.7673%
1984    1.159330    0.862567    0.8149%
1983    1.149959    0.869597    0.9737%
1982    1.138869    0.878064    0.9508%
1981    1.128142    0.886413    0.9031%
1980    1.118046    0.894418    2.2701%
1979    1.093229    0.914722    1.0042%
1978    1.082360    0.923907    0.9896%
1977    1.071754    0.933050    0.9103%
1976    1.062085    0.941544    0.8394%
1975    1.053244    0.949448    0.9042%
1974    1.043806    0.958032    1.1568%
1973    1.031870    0.969115    0.9427%
1972    1.022233    0.978251    0.7426%
1971    1.014697    0.985516    1.4697%
1970    1.000000    1.000000    0.6968%
1969    0.993080    1.006968    0.8565%
1968    0.984646    1.015593    1.5090%
1967    0.970008    1.030919    0.9949%
1966    0.960453    1.041176    1.0575%
1965    0.950403    1.052186    1.1300%
1964    0.939783    1.064076    1.5537%
1963    0.925405    1.080608    1.4658%
1962    0.912036    1.096447    1.5364%
1961    0.898236    1.113294    2.1586%
1960    0.879256    1.137326   -1.6655%
1959    0.894148    1.118384    4.3080%
1958    0.857219    1.166564    2.1130%
1957    0.839481    1.191213    1.9895%
1956    0.823105    1.214912    2.1231%
1955    0.805993    1.240705    1.4496%
1954    0.794476    1.258691    2.1573%
1953    0.777699    1.285844    1.2298%
1952    0.768252    1.301657    1.6814%
1951    0.755548    1.323542    1.6233%
1950    0.743479    1.345027    1.4265%
1949    0.733023    1.364214    1.7790%
1948    0.720210    1.388484    1.8242%
1947    0.707307    1.413813   -2.6320%
1946    0.726427    1.376600    3.1768%
1945    0.704061    1.420332    6.4754%
1944    0.661242    1.512305   -0.3437%
1943    0.663523    1.507107    0.6562%
1942    0.659197    1.516997    0.6633%
1941    0.654853    1.527060   -5.6614%
1940    0.694152    1.440606    8.0381%
1939    0.642507    1.556404    0.8126%
1938    0.637328    1.569052    0.7762%
1937    0.632419    1.581231    0.6029%
1936    0.628629    1.590764    0.5244%
1935    0.625349    1.599106   -3.0364%
1934    0.644932    1.550551    4.6271%
1933    0.616410    1.622297    1.3921%
1932    0.607947    1.644881   -0.2051%
1931    0.609196    1.641508    0.8886%
1930    0.603830    1.656094    1.0126%
1929    0.597777    1.672864    1.1526%
1928    0.590966    1.692145    1.2160%
1927    0.583866    1.712722    1.4086%
1926    0.575756    1.736847    1.7667%
1925    0.565761    1.767531    1.4465%
1924    0.557694    1.793099    1.7700%
1923    0.547994    1.824836    1.6165%
1922    0.539277    1.854335    1.3736%
1921    0.531970    1.879807    2.3393%
1920    0.519810    1.923781    1.3140%
1919    0.513068    1.949060    0.7676%
1918    0.509159    1.964022    0.3870%
1917    0.507197    1.971622    1.3274%
1916    0.500552    1.997794    1.4083%
1915    0.493601    2.025929    1.4458%
1914    0.486566    2.055220    1.9424%
1913    0.477295    2.095140    1.9857%
1912    0.468002    2.136743    1.5634%
1911    0.460798    2.170149    1.8169%
1910    0.452575    2.209579    1.8781%
1909    0.444232    2.251076    2.0082%
1908    0.435486    2.296283    1.9603%
1907    0.427114    2.341296    1.8264%
1906    0.419453    2.384056    1.9357%
1905    0.411488    2.430204    2.0148%
1904    0.403361    2.479168    2.1335%
1903    0.394935    2.532062    1.8151%
1902    0.387894    2.578023    1.8943%
1901    0.380683    2.626860    3.0255%
1900    0.369503    2.706335    0.6278%
1899    0.367198    2.723327    1.7757%
1898    0.360792    2.771684    1.8078%
1897    0.354385    2.821789    1.8396%
1896    0.347984    2.873698    1.8755%
1895    0.341577    2.927596    1.9114%
1894    0.335171    2.983553    1.9486%
1893    0.328764    3.041692    1.9858%
1892    0.322363    3.102094    2.0276%
1891    0.315956    3.164993    2.6465%
1890    0.307810    3.248755    1.5328%
1889    0.303163    3.298553    2.0811%
1888    0.296983    3.367200    2.1599%
1887    0.290704    3.439926    2.2075%
1886    0.284425    3.515864    2.2592%
1885    0.278141    3.595293    2.3095%
1884    0.271863    3.678328    2.3641%
1883    0.265584    3.765289    2.4214%
1882    0.259305    3.856461    2.4815%
1881    0.253026    3.952158    3.7644%
1880    0.243847    4.100933    0.9432%
1879    0.241568    4.139614    2.1464%
1878    0.236492    4.228466    2.1913%
1877    0.231421    4.321124    2.2426%
1876    0.226345    4.418030    2.2941%
1875    0.221269    4.519382    2.3456%
1874    0.216198    4.625389    2.4043%
1873    0.211122    4.736598    2.4635%
1872    0.206046    4.853286    2.5258%
1871    0.200970    4.975869    5.9947%
1870    0.189604    5.274156   -1.0968%
1869    0.191706    5.216310    2.1930%
1868    0.187593    5.330702    2.2394%
1867    0.183484    5.450078    2.2935%
1866    0.179370    5.575076    2.3445%
1865    0.175261    5.705782    2.4037%
1864    0.171147    5.842931    2.4599%
1863    0.167038    5.986661    2.5250%
1862    0.162924    6.137824    2.5872%
1861    0.158815    6.296625    2.9504%
1860    0.154264    6.482401    2.4012%
1859    0.150646    6.638059    2.7627%
1858    0.146596    6.821449    2.8412%
1857    0.142546    7.015260    2.9243%
1856    0.138496    7.220407    3.0161%
1855    0.134441    7.438184    3.1061%
1854    0.130391    7.669219    3.2056%
1853    0.126341    7.915065    3.3118%
1852    0.122291    8.177195    3.4252%
1851    0.118241    8.457283    4.0106%
1850    0.113682    8.796471    2.3254%
1849    0.111099    9.001021    2.7841%
1848    0.108089    9.251617    2.8590%
1847    0.105085    9.516122    2.9432%
1846    0.102080    9.796197    3.0324%
1845    0.099076   10.093257    3.1325%
1844    0.096067   10.409429    3.2284%
1843    0.093062   10.745483    3.3361%
1842    0.090058   11.103958    3.4512%
1841    0.087054   11.487177    3.8105%
1840    0.083858   11.924895    2.3861%
1839    0.081904   12.209429    2.5824%
1838    0.079842   12.524724    2.6573%
1837    0.077775   12.857547    2.7232%
1836    0.075713   13.207684    2.7994%
1835    0.073652   13.577425    2.8871%
1834    0.071585   13.969422    2.9657%
1833    0.069523   14.383711    3.0563%
1832    0.067461   14.823324    3.1604%
1831    0.065395   15.291803    3.4660%
1830    0.063204   15.821812    2.4653%
1829    0.061683   16.211867    2.6804%
1828    0.060073   16.646410   10.3427%
1827    0.054442   18.368090   -4.2314%
1826    0.056848   17.590856    2.9150%
1825    0.055238   18.103636    3.0026%
1824    0.053627   18.647209    3.0955%
1823    0.052017   19.224435    3.1944%
1822    0.050407   19.838539    3.3102%
1821    0.048792   20.495232    3.2277%
1820    0.047266   21.156765    2.6573%
1819    0.046043   21.718959    2.6261%
1818    0.044865   22.289322    2.6969%
1817    0.043686   22.890450    2.7717%
1816    0.042508   23.524901    2.8507%
1815    0.041330   24.195524    2.9343%
1814    0.040152   24.905504    3.0231%
1813    0.038974   25.658410    3.1039%
1812    0.037800   26.454820    3.2172%
1811    0.036622   27.305913    3.0969%
1810    0.035522   28.151554    2.9144%
1809    0.034516   28.971997    2.8225%
1808    0.033569   29.789721    2.9199%
1807    0.032616   30.659560    2.9918%
1806    0.031669   31.576827    3.0841%
1805    0.030721   32.550673    3.1822%
1804    0.029774   33.586499    3.2868%
1803    0.028826   34.690415    3.3985%
1802    0.027879   35.869363    3.5180%
1801    0.026931   37.131264    3.3999%
1800    0.026046   38.393707    2.8419%
1799    0.025326   39.484806    2.7485%
1798    0.024649   40.570029    2.8261%
1797    0.023971   41.716591    3.7832%
1796    0.023097   43.294817    2.1272%
1795    0.022616   44.215783    3.0879%
1794    0.021939   45.581140    3.1625%
1793    0.021266   47.022649    3.2904%
1792    0.020589   48.569889    3.4024%
1791    0.019911   50.222415    3.2296%
1790    0.019288   51.844379   41.3145%
1780    0.013649   73.263600   29.4353%
1770    0.010545   94.828972   83.4728%
1750    0.005748   173.985407   29.2845%
1740    0.004446   224.936080   94.2514%
1720    0.002289   436.941471   85.8111%
1700    0.001232   811.885668   19.2490%
1690    0.001033   968.165941   88.0250%
1670    0.000549   1820.394227

 
 

Interviewer: Mary D. Hudgins
Person Interviewed: Mose Evans
Home: 451 Walnut
Aged: 76


Radios from half a dozen houses blared out on the afternoon air.
Ben[TR:?] Winslow was popular but ran a poor second to jazz bands in
which moaning trombones predominated.

At one or two houses a knock or jangling bell had roused nobody. "They's
all off at work," a neighbor usually volunteered. But in this block of
comfortable cottages fronting on the paved section of Walnut evidently
there were a goodly number of stay-at-homes. A mild prosperity seemed to
pervade everything. The Walnut section is in the "old part of town".
Some of the houses had evidently been built during the 90s; but they
were well kept up and painted.

There was evidence here and there of former dependence on wells for
water. One or two had been simply boarded over. One, a front yard affair
had been ingeniously converted into a huge flower pot. The well had been
filled in, its circular brick walls covered with a thick layer of
cement. Into this, while still damp, had been pressed crystals. Even in
January the vessel bore evidence of summer blooming.

"_PREPARE TO MEET YOUR GOD_" admonished the electrified box sign
attatched to the front porch of one dwelling. Its border was of black
wood. The sign itself was of white frosted glass. Letters of the slogan
were in scarlet.

Next doer was another religious reminder. It was a modest pasteboard
window card and announced Bible Study at 2: P.M. daily.

Three blocks up Walnut the pavement ends. Beyond that sidewalks too,
listlessly peter out. A young, but enthusiastically growing ditch is
beginning to separate path from street. Houses begin to take on a more
dilapidated appearance. They lean uncertainly.

A colored woman stops to stare at the white one, plants herself directly
in the stranger's path and demands, "Is you the investigator? No? Well
who is you looking for? Oh, Mose, he's at his son's. Good thing I
stopped you. Cause you would have gone too far. He's at his son's. His
grandson just done had his tonsils out. He's over there."

The interviewer climbed the ladder-like steps leading to "his son's
house". No Mose wasn't there. He had just left. Maybe he'd gone home.
The de-tonsiled child proved to be a bright eyed, saddle-colored
youngster of three, enormously interested in the stranger. He wore
whip-cord jodphurs--protruding widely on either side of his plump
thighs--and knee high leather riding boots. Plump and smiling, he looked
for all the world like a kewpie provided with a kink ey crown and
blistered to a rich chocolate by a friendly sun.

The child eyed the interviewer's pencil. Since, she was carrying a
"spare" she offered it to him. He smiled and accepted with alacrity.
Later when the interviewer had found Mose and brought him back to the
house to be questioned, the grandson brought forth his long new pencil
and showed it with heartfelt pride.

On up the street went the interviewer. Arrived at 451 she approached the
house through a yard strewn, with wood chips and piled with cordwood.
Nobody answered her knock. Two blocks back toward town she was stopped
by the same woman who had accosted her before. "Did you find him?" "No,"
replied the interviewer. "Well he's somewhere on the street. He's
a'carrying a cane. You just stop any man you see with a cane and ask him
if he ain't Mose Evans." The advice was sound/ The first elderly man
coming north was carrying a cane. He was Mose Evans.

"So you-all got together?" called the officious neighbor. "Mose, you
ought of asked her--when you see her coming up the street if she wasn't
looking for you." "Maybe," said Mose, "but then I didn't know, and I
don't want to butt into other folks business" "Huh," snorted the woman,
"spose I hadn't butted in. Where'd you be. You wouldn't have found her
and she wouldn't have found you!" Both Mose and the interviewer wore
forced to admit that she was right--but from Mose's disapproving
expression he, like the interviewer, was sorry of it.

"No, ma'am. I ain't been here long. Just about two weeks. You want to
talk to me. Let's go on up to my son's house. We'll stop there. I's
tired. Seems like I get tired awful quick. Had to go down to the store
to get some coal." (He was carrying a paper sack of about two gallon
capacity. "Coal" was probably charcoal--much favored among wash women
for use in a small bucket-furnace for heating "flat-irons".) My wife has
to work awful hard to earn enough, to buy enough coal and wood.

Did I say I'd been here two weeks? I meant I has been here two years.
I's lived all over. Came here from Woodruff county. Yes, ma'am. I can't
work no more. My wife she gets 2-3 days washing a week. Then she gets
some bundles to bring home and do. She got sick, same as me and her
brothers come on down to bring her up here to look after. They provided
for me too. They took good care of us. Then one of 'em got sick himself,
and the other he lost out in a money way. So she's a washing.

Can't remember very much about the war. I was just a little thing when
it was a'going on. Was hardly any size at all. I does remember standing
in the door of my mother's house and watching the soldiers go by. Men
dressed in blue they was. Wasn't afraid of them--didn't have sense
enough to be, I guess. Looked sort of pretty to me, dressed all in blue
that way. And they was riding fine horses. Made a big noise they did.
They was a'riding by in a sort of sweeping gallop. I won't never forgot
it.

Guess Confederates passed too. I was too small to know about them. They
was all soldiers to me. Folks told me they was on their way to
Vicksburg. I heard tell that there was lots of fighting down around
Vicksburg.

I was born on a place which belonged to a man named Thad Shackleford.
Don't remember him very well. They took me away from his place when I
was little. But I never did hear my mother say anything against him.
Awful fine man, she said, awful fine man. I had lots of half sisters--5
of 'em and 6 half brothers. There was just one full sister.

Farm? Not until I was 14. Just stayed around the house and nursed the
children. Nursed lots of children. Took care of them and amused them.
Played with them. But for four, five, maybe six years I helped my mother
farm. Went out into the fields and worked.

Then I went to myself. Yes, ma'am, I share cropped. Share cropped up
until about 1908. By that time I had got together a pretty good lot and
bought stock and tools. Then I rented--rented thirds and fourths. I
liked that way lots best. It's best if a body can get himself stocked
up.

But let me tell you, ma'am. It's a lot easier to get behind than it is
to catch up. Falling behind is easy. Catching up ain't so simple. I sort
of lost my health and then I had to sell my stock. After that it was
share-crop again. I share cropped right up until 1935. That's when we
come here.

Yes, ma'am we moved around a lot. Longest what I worked for any man was
12 years. He was J.W. Hill, the best man I ever did see. Once I rented
from a colored man, but he died. Was with him 6 years before another man
came into possession. Rented from Cockerill 4 years and Doss 2 years,
and Doyle 3 years. But now I's like an old shoe. I's worn out. Been a
good, faithful servant, but I's wore out."